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Leading From Within

Holly Latty-Mann

 “Becom­ing a leader is syn­ony­mous with becom­ing your­self. It is pre­cisely that sim­ple, and it is also that dif­fi­cult.” ~ War­ren Bennis

Build­ing lead­ers from the inside out.

Today I’m hon­ored to share with you Dr. Holly Latty-Mann, pres­i­dent and co-founder of The Lead­er­ship Trust®.  The Lead­er­ship Trust is a train­ing orga­ni­za­tion based in Durham, North Car­olina.  Holly, along with the late Dr. Jim Farr, cre­ated this unique train­ing orga­ni­za­tion in 1998. Of spe­cial note, is that Dr. Farr was the ini­tial found­ing direc­tor of the Cen­ter for Cre­ative Lead­er­ship, back in the late 1960s and sold his pre­vi­ous firm, Farr Asso­ciates, mak­ing The Lead­er­ship Trust his last lead­er­ship initiative.

The basis behind the train­ing that Holly and her group offer is that lead­er­ship is built from the inside out through a highly psy­cho­log­i­cally dri­ven process.  Regarded as life-changing, nearly all past par­tic­i­pants have called this the best train­ing they’ve ever had – both per­son­ally and pro­fes­sion­ally.  And this is evi­denced in the many video and writ­ten tes­ti­mo­ni­als of their grad­u­ates, found at The Lead­er­ship Trust web­site.  I encour­age you to check these out, even just for the inspi­ra­tion they offer, given they do not fit the norm.  It is so worth reading/viewing some of these – just take a cou­ple of min­utes to really let this all soak in.

Holly has cre­ated a learn­ing envi­ron­ment that truly pro­motes fun­da­men­tal change, in a safe and car­ing envi­ron­ment.  With a rich his­tory of alliances that include Duke University’s Fuqua School of Busi­ness, their Coach K Cen­ter for Lead­er­ship and Ethics (COLE) as well as Wake For­est University’s Bab­cock Grad­u­ate School of Man­age­ment, The Lead­er­ship Trust cur­rently enjoys an infor­mal part­ner­ship with NC State’s Orga­ni­za­tional Behav­ior pro­gram where their col­lab­o­ra­tion has pro­duced research find­ings on lead­er­ship behav­iors that work and don’t work.

Please join me in wel­com­ing Holly here today. 

1. Tell us a lit­tle bit about who “you” are (fam­ily, career, any spe­cial life expe­ri­ences you’d like to share, etc.)
Lance, I notice you ask about fam­ily first before career in your ques­tion, and I say you have your pri­or­i­ties right!

While most peo­ple tend to offer pos­i­tive spins when asked about specifics of who they are (fam­ily, spe­cial life expe­ri­ences, etc.), I’ve found those sen­sa­tional life events, includ­ing the ones where I made mis­takes, have turned out to be won­der­ful train­ing grounds for not only help­ing me become my best, but also help­ing oth­ers do the same.  So here are some spe­cial life expe­ri­ences that molded and shaped me because of my responses to them: I lost my brother Michael when I was almost 3, and he was almost 9. Michael was my every­thing. My father was an alco­holic, albeit a suc­cess­ful busi­ness exec­u­tive. That’s because his drink­ing started when he came home in the evenings.  I went steady with Billy Graham’s son for two years in high school, but he broke up with me because I was a “goody two-shoes,” and he had dis­cov­ered “wild” girls dur­ing his prep school years at Stony Brook.  Years fol­low­ing my divorce at the age of 30, I saved myself from a sec­ond mar­riage. Don’t laugh when you hear my doc­toral dis­ser­ta­tion was on mate selec­tion. After years of being mar­ried to my com­pany, I’m now finally ready again. Con­tin­u­ing to speak to spe­cial life expe­ri­ences, I’ve had one super­nat­ural expe­ri­ence that has nur­tured a meta­phys­i­cal ori­en­ta­tion to my faith. Another “super­nat­ural” expe­ri­ence was my los­ing half of my hear­ing overnight in 1992 due to a virus. But most impor­tantly as a result of work­ing steadily on myself over time, I can say with grat­i­tude in my heart that I am a happy, secure per­son who loves life and believes the best in humankind! No, I am not naïve. I have watched thou­sands of peo­ple go from anger, despair, inse­cu­rity, arro­gance, and self­ish­ness to happy and peace­ful. I am a true believer that peo­ple change, and my pas­sion is play­ing a role in sup­port­ing mean­ing­ful, last­ing change in others.

You’ll learn from this link about my career, edu­ca­tional back­ground, and what I do in the name of show­ing lead­ers how to inspire and moti­vate. It was only this past year that I asked all fac­ulty mem­bers to add what they do for fun in the last para­graph.  As for me, that includes for­eign travel (52 for­eign coun­tries so far), play­ing the piano, play­ing ten­nis, hik­ing, and most fun of all, bik­ing! I feel like a free child as soon as I start to peddle!

Lance’s Com­men­tary:  Holly, I love the approach you took with this ques­tion.  Life has bumps for all of us, and those bumps along our jour­ney really can lead to last­ing change.  You are doing won­der­ful things on all lev­els, and I’m sure that’s in part to what your past expe­ri­ences have taught you. 

2. You are the pres­i­dent and co-founder of a pretty inno­v­a­tive orga­ni­za­tion.  Tell us briefly about “The Lead­er­ship Trust” and what it is? 
How about our mis­sion state­ment for starters? The Lead­er­ship Trust® is an orga­ni­za­tion ded­i­cated to sup­port on a global basis the cre­ation, devel­op­ment and imple­men­ta­tion of highly effec­tive, high integrity lead­er­ship serv­ing the ulti­mate well-being of all per­sons everywhere.

3. What is the deeper pur­pose of your orga­ni­za­tion?
Our deeper pur­pose is to sup­port the growth of the human spirit in order to con­tribute toward a kinder, gen­tler world.

Lance’s Com­men­tary:  The human spirit – what a deeply mean­ing­ful pur­pose.  Holly, I think this answer alone speaks to just how “right” what you are doing is.  The more con­nected with our deeper self, the more we see life through the lens of human­ity and what is pos­si­ble!  What a great place to work toward, and you get to help oth­ers do this every day – how awe­some!

4. Who is your typ­i­cal stu­dent in these pro­grams?  Who can this apply to?
A typ­i­cal pro­gram has a diver­sity of stu­dents, so it’s dif­fi­cult to say we have a typ­i­cal stu­dent. We do have more male par­tic­i­pants except dur­ing the sum­mer months. And it’s funny you should ask this ques­tion.  We are await­ing results from an inde­pen­dent research firm who gath­ered data over sev­eral weeks to offer us a pro­file of the “typ­i­cal stu­dent,” so that we can tar­get that audi­ence. Truth­fully, our most robust work­shops have peo­ple play­ing dif­fer­ent roles (CEO, IT, HR, CFO, tech­ni­cian, project man­ager, etc.) from dif­fer­ent indus­tries  (seri­ously, you name it) of any size (any­thing from a Mom/Pop enter­prise of one per­son to huge global cor­po­ra­tions). We also have on occa­sion some­one in school, between jobs, or fac­ing retire­ment. Because these pro­grams are per­son­al­ized, mean­ing one size does not fit all, we encour­age this diver­sity because effec­tive lead­er­ship involves relat­ing to peo­ple rep­re­sent­ing var­i­ous tiers and roles within any organization.

Lances’ Com­men­tary:  Holly, I know your class sizes are very small – and I’m sure this facil­i­tates a very highly per­son­al­ized expe­ri­ence for every­one going through your pro­grams.  That’s what I think is so unique about this, is that  it’s some­thing we can all get some­thing from.  It’s lead­er­ship.  And yet it’s so much more than that, on a per­sonal level, and how really so many of your par­tic­i­pants have real­ized a myr­iad of life-changing  ben­e­fits both pro­fes­sion­ally and per­son­ally.  And I think that really speaks to the impor­tance you place on mak­ing this truly a life-changing expe­ri­ence for everyone.

5.  You do one thing (or a sub­set of that one thing) and do it very well.  Lead­er­ship train­ing is your sole focus.  What makes your train­ing unique? 
Our unique self-awareness work­shop (SAW) that is sub­sumed within our hall­mark 5-day pro­gram offers processes on the emo­tional intel­li­gence aspects of lead­er­ship that explains our highly unusual tes­ti­mo­ni­als. Our grad­u­ates on video also talk about how we’re dif­fer­ent.  Sec­ondly, our unique 360 feed­back process has every­one primed to give their best to the Self-Awareness Work­shop that starts the evening of the first day. The atten­tion to group cul­ture, keep­ing it safe with each person’s dig­nity held intact, is key to how a group of strangers bond into a tight team within 28 hours from onset.

Lance’s Com­men­tary:  The tes­ti­mo­ni­als are so affirm­ing to read and lis­ten to.  And this idea of bring­ing together a group of strangers and cre­at­ing an envi­ron­ment that builds real and strong bonds — I just really sense how this adds so much to this experience!

6.  Self-awareness is a big part of the learn­ing devel­op­ment that goes on with par­tic­i­pants attend­ing your pro­grams.  Tell us more about the impor­tance of this.
Well, if you don’t know, you can’t fix. And if you keep doing what you’ve been doing, then you’ll keep get­ting what you’ve been get­ting. Root cause to what­ever is hold­ing us back tends to be housed in the sub­con­scious (your unaware­ness). It’s a mat­ter of bring­ing cru­cial mate­r­ial from your unaware­ness into your con­scious aware­ness so that you can make choices regard­ing what to do about it. It’s a rare per­son who doesn’t want to change that which is hold­ing him or her back. The biggest out­come in terms of emo­tion is joy along with a pro­found sense of relief.

Lance’s Com­men­tary:  Or peace, maybe…  This whole idea of being more self-aware, I believe is hugely impor­tant.  In get­ting to know our­selves bet­ter, we become more open to the world around us.

7.  I am fas­ci­nated by the many tes­ti­mo­ni­als you have.  Specif­i­cally, how pro­gram par­tic­i­pants draw such deep mean­ing out of your pro­gram.  Is there some­thing spe­cific that’s a real eye opener for these peo­ple? 
Yes, there is. I once play­fully told an inter­viewer who asked the same ques­tion, “If I told you, I’d have to kill you.”  A bet­ter response is this:  If I were to tell you, it would con­t­a­m­i­nate an oth­er­wise opti­mal expe­ri­ence. This is akin to the notion if we humans would just get our­selves out of the way of divine inter­ven­tion, we may stand a greater chance to grow and prosper.

Lance’s Com­men­tary:  Ha!  I’m glad you’re not going to kill me, Holly!!  This reminds me of a retreat I attended a few years ago, where there were sev­eral things that occurred which I was unaware of, and that just made the whole expe­ri­ence that much more mean­ing­ful.  So, the bot­tom line is:  sign up, right!

8. Tell us one unex­pected thing that has hap­pened to you, from going down this path of start­ing the “Lead­er­ship Trust”?
My co-founding part­ner died just days before our sec­ond work­shop. This was dur­ing the time we were in part­ner­ship with Wake For­est Bab­cock Grad­u­ate School of Man­age­ment. So the dean asked if I would do both Jim’s part and my own. Not only did I take on that chal­lenge, but dur­ing the 3rd day of the work­shop, they sent a limo to take me to the church to deliver my eulogy on my co-founding part­ner and friend, only to turn around and fin­ish the work­shop. The eval­u­a­tions were unusu­ally favor­able and strong, and I later learned WFU had  won­dered if it was because of the emo­tion of the inter­rup­tion. Months and months passed with the same level of tes­ti­mo­nial inten­sity which inspired talks of fran­chis­ing this pro­gram to offer nation­ally, even globally.

Lance’s Com­men­tary:  An emo­tional response can def­i­nitely trig­ger bring­ing out the greater good in every­one.  This reminds me of for­mer Green Bay Packer quar­ter­back Brett Favre a few years back – play­ing before a national audi­ence only a cou­ple of days after unex­pect­edly los­ing his father, and hav­ing one of his great­est games ever.  Yet, the truth is, you’ve main­tained this same deep con­nec­tion with your par­tic­i­pants, and I really believe that speaks to the qual­ity of this pro­gram, and the ded­i­ca­tion of you and your staff to make this as mean­ing­ful as it has been for every­one.

9. If you had to pick one thing as your great­est achieve­ment, what would it be (and why)?
I am involved in ani­mal wel­fare and have been since the early 1980s, and while I’m sure my dona­tions and let­ters (includ­ing let­ters to the edi­tor) have made a dif­fer­ence, I once was instru­men­tal in sav­ing lit­er­ally hun­dreds of dogs from inhu­mane treatment/death.
Why did I choose this as my great­est achieve­ment? I value all life, and I guess it was the enor­mity of this project and the nature of the pain these ani­mals were sub­jected to suf­fer­ing.  It’s impor­tant to add that this achieve­ment would not have hap­pened at all had it not been for the power of prayer, and how the solu­tion could not have been attrib­uted to coincidence.

Lance’s Com­men­tary:  Holly, I love this achieve­ment you’ve listed.  It can be easy to look at acco­lades we’ve recieved, or pres­tige we’ve achieved.  Deep down, though, what really mat­ters is human­ity, dig­nity, caring…basic prin­ci­ples within us all.  Your help­ing to save so many ani­mals from a life of mis­ery – what a gift not only to those ani­mals, but also to humankind.  Through your actions, oth­ers have been lifted up in what our core val­ues are.  And that’s pretty wonderful!

10.  Going back sev­eral years, I know that you co-founded this orga­ni­za­tion with Dr. James Farr.  And then he sud­denly passed away after your open­ing.  Were these dif­fi­cult days, for you to con­tinue on?  Or were you inspired by what Dr. Farr had helped to cre­ate?
These were very dif­fi­cult days, mainly in light of it how Jim died a lit­tle more than a year before 9/11 hit, and peo­ple were not trav­el­ing, and con­tracts for Gray­lyn Inter­na­tional Con­fer­ence Cen­ter had been signed with painful penal­ties attached for can­cel­la­tions. Fur­ther­more, Dr. Farr had made arrange­ments with WFU to bring to a close our part­ner­ship after 18 months had gone by – and wouldn’t you know this was only days before 9/11! So here I am on my own not sure how to run a com­pany, much less make one grow. Inter­est­ingly, I had an advi­sory board telling me to bring in an Exec­u­tive Direc­tor to run things for me, but the Trust didn’t have the monies for any of their sug­ges­tions, and I was so naïve at the time I didn’t even know the right ques­tions to ask of this board. I had no fam­ily nearby to help me, and my hear­ing impair­ment made it next to impos­si­ble to net­work at social gath­er­ings.  It was a low point in my career, and it lasted for sev­eral years.

So what pulled me through? I felt a call­ing to do this work – it was that strong. And indeed what Jim and I had cre­ated together was all the inspi­ra­tion I needed to never give up. 

Lance’s Com­men­tary:  The human spirit at work!  Holly, thank you for shar­ing about these dif­fi­cult days.  What you have today is a sure sign of your per­se­ver­ance, your ded­i­ca­tion to mak­ing our world a bet­ter place, and your real belief in the mes­sage your orga­ni­za­tion is delivering. 

11. Deep-down, Holly, what makes you, “you”?  And what does a typ­i­cal day away from the “Lead­er­ship Trust” involve?
My pas­sion for life, a joie de vivre is a big part of who I am. Per­haps what makes me “Holly” is like a recipe, and all of us humans can boast a unique recipe. My ingre­di­ents would include com­pas­sion, courage, ethics, gen­tle­ness, sta­mina, ser­vice, intu­ition, humil­ity, indus­try, play­ful­ness, and adven­ture. I believe I am as accept­ing and non­judg­men­tal with myself as I am with oth­ers. I see the best in myself no dif­fer­ently than how I see the best in others.

Typ­i­cal day away from The Lead­er­ship Trust® usu­ally involves both the mun­dane and the fun side of life. Mun­dane is main­tain­ing house and yard and all the errands that are a part of that. I have won­der­ful friends, top qual­ity friends, authen­tic “no airs about them” friends, friends with great depth who love to poke fun at life so as not to take our­selves too seri­ously. I am an avid reader and love word games,  and work my cross­word puz­zles in ink. I love stay­ing fit while I enjoy the great out-of-doors. I am blessed being able to spend ample time with my spir­ited 91-year-old mother, an amaz­ing woman who is extremely active to this day. I have an unshake­able faith and am for­tu­nate to have found a church that is not elit­ist in its out­look on the human race. I enjoy sup­port­ing my church in a num­ber of dif­fer­ent ways. I love my cat “Romeow” whom I res­cued  (despite greater appre­ci­a­tion for dogs’ personalities…sorry, Romeow!). Oh, and I’m writ­ing to com­plete my first book this sum­mer, “Lead­ers Stripped Naked: The Power of Expo­sure” (I hope this doesn’t scare any­one away!)!

Lance’s Com­men­tary:  What a won­der­ful pre­scrip­tion for life!  Life is about liv­ing.  In all the ways that are mean­ing­ful to each one of us.  Holly, your “recipe” for life is what really draws me to you, and what you offer.  And I love the name of your cat – Romeow – how creative!  

And you have a book com­ing out, that’s very excit­ing.  And that name, no – we won’t let it scare any­one away!

Clos­ing Thoughts:  Holly, thank you for shar­ing so openly here today.  You have cre­ated some­thing very spe­cial in The Lead­er­ship Trust.  Help­ing peo­ple to become more aware of them­selves, and really let out that leader within is such a great thing for our world.  And you seem so bal­anced at where you are in your life right now, which I believe is an impor­tant part to over­all per­sonal health on so many levels.

And I’m tempted to pack up my bike and come for a visit!  I love to get out and ride the trails!

For any­one inter­ested in learn­ing more about the Lead­er­ship Trust, check out the very information-packed web­site they have.  If you have any fur­ther ques­tions, or would like more infor­ma­tion, Holly and her team can be reached at:

The Lead­er­ship Trust
Phone: 888−313−2750

Email:  info [at] leadershiptrust.org

NOTE There is a cur­rent spe­cial Holly is offer­ing, with 50% off the tuition for the first attendee per com­pany. Hard costs still apply. To take advan­tage of this sav­ings, you can down­load from their blog their dis­count schol­ar­ship coupon using this link.

Holly, thank you for join­ing us here today, and shar­ing a bit about you and your approach toward lead­er­ship and life!

Lance writes sto­ries from his heart, aim­ing to inspire and moti­vate, as you align more fully with YOUR true peak. When he’s not here, you can find him hang­ing out with his fam­ily, rid­ing a bike, or just gen­er­ally act­ing goofy.   Sign up for the Thoughts from the Tree­house newslet­ter and get addi­tional inspi­ra­tion in your email inbox!
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Comments

  1. John says:

    This is a great inter­view, Lance. I’m impressed by the sheer amount of pas­sion Holly has for train­ing future lead­ers. Also, the fact that she uses emo­tion to rid her stu­dents of the per­sonal issues which hold them back. I believe Holly really is enhanc­ing the human spirit.

    Thank you both for the great inter­view, Lance and Holly! I wish you best of luck for the Lead­er­ship Trust.
    .-= John´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..How to Kiss Your Bore­dom Good­bye =-.

  2. Laurie says:

    I love that Billy Graham’s son dumped you for being too “goody two shoes”! LOL!

    I have been in edu­ca­tion for 20 years. I loved work­ing for peo­ple who were great lead­ers. I flour­ished under those cir­cum­stances. They gave me the free­dom to risk and grow. I hated work­ing for inse­cure peo­ple who micro­man­aged because of their fear. Not only did they micro­man­age but they wouldn’t make a deci­sion about any­thing impor­tant because they didn’t want to be held account­able for it. This way they could choose a sub­or­di­nate and throw them under the bus. My tire tracks look really pretty with the right out­fit. Now, I have started my own busi­ness so I have to lead or fail. It’s fun.

  3. Davina says:

    Hi Lance & Holly. I enjoyed read­ing this and appre­ci­ate how you illus­trate that mis­takes and chal­lenges can turn both your’s and other’s lives around. So often we feel like vic­tims when chal­lenges hap­pen “to us”.

    I com­pletely agree with this: “Root cause to what­ever is hold­ing us back tends to be housed in the sub­con­scious (your unaware­ness). It’s a mat­ter of bring­ing cru­cial mate­r­ial from your unawareness.”

    It really helps to hold this focus when cross­ing other’s paths, to not con­nect in such a way that you react, rather than respond to them, if they act unde­sir­ably.
    .-= Davina´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..Roam­ing with the Metaphor =-.

  4. Holly, all I can say is keep on get­ting the lead­er­ship pro­gram out there (not that you need any encour­age­ment!). With­out a doubt, the world needs more effec­tive lead­ers with self aware­ness and integrity. And the pur­pose of your organ­i­sa­tion — “to sup­port the growth of the human spirit in order to con­tribute toward a kinder, gen­tler world”, well, in my opin­ion, you’d be hard pressed to have a bet­ter pur­pose than that! Thanks Holly and Lance.
    .-= Sami — Life, Laughs & Lemmings´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..8 Ways to Laugh More =-.

  5. Wow. Just the approach Holly took to the first ques­tion sold me on her. One of the biggest truths I’ve learned and embraced recently is the impor­tance of respect­ing and even trea­sur­ing the messi­est aspects of life. I used to think I was sup­posed to pick myself up, sweep the mess under a big rug, and walk away. Now I know I must carry those pieces with me, and see what new, won­der­ful cre­ation can be made from them. Clearly Holly really knows and lives this truth I am just begin­ning to grasp.

    Thanks for shar­ing this great inter­view and com­men­tary!
    .-= Kristin T. (@kt_writes)´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..Life lessons from Pitch­fork =-.

  6. Lead­er­ship is a topic I’ve been think­ing about a lot lately. I’ve read a cou­ple books, but it’s always great to hear of a leader like Holly start­ing from within. It’s great to read such an insight­ful inter­view, and Lance’s com­men­tary was great too. :)

    Thank you both so much!
    .-= Nathalie Lussier´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..What is the Raw Food Diet? =-.

  7. What a great inter­view! Thank you for shar­ing this with us! :)
    .-= Pos­i­tively Present´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..the pos­i­tive power of music =-.

  8. Hi Holly and Lance — My favorite part of this inter­view was “if you don’t know, you can’t fix.” Self aware­ness is an essen­tial part of lead­er­ship. I’ve been part of a lead­er­ship devel­op­ment pro­gram at work for two years and self aware­ness is always stressed to us. The phrase above how­ever is a great way of say­ing that if you start from what actu­ally is you can make changes upon that. Some­times we don’t want to see our­selves for what we really are, but that basis in truth is the only way to become what you really want to be! Thanks for a won­der­ful inter­view. :)
    .-= Amanda Linehan´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..Just Ask “Why?” =-.

  9. Liara Covert says:

    Lance, you always invite your read­ers to get acquainted with such uplift­ing, cre­ative peo­ple! Thanks for tak­ing the time to encour­age vis­i­tors here to expand theri hori­zons.
    .-= Liara Covert´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..10 Rev­e­la­tions about 2012 =-.

  10. I like the way you pointed out, Dr., that hav­ing your pri­or­i­ties straight means valu­ing fam­ily over career.
    .-= Vered — MomGrind´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..Hap­pily Ever After =-.

  11. Mike King says:

    Great inter­view and great points about mak­ing lead­er­ship come from within and value based lead­er­ship. I think this is crit­i­cal as well. Thanks every­one for the added points and com­ments, its great to see the influ­ence an orga­ni­za­tion like this is mak­ing in devel­op­ing lead­ers.
    .-= Mike King´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..Main­tain Your Busi­ness Con­nec­tions =-.

  12. J.D. Meier says:

    Great ques­tions and commentary.

    Lance, I espe­cially liked your abil­ity to punc­tu­ate the insight and I liked the way you framed this … “An emo­tional response can def­i­nitely trig­ger bring­ing out the greater good in every­one.“
    .-= J.D. Meier´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..How To Pri­or­i­tize with Cri­te­ria and Weight =-.

  13. Hilary says:

    Hi Lance .. what an amaz­ing lady Holly is .. I’m com­ing back to check out her web­site and reread this inter­view again and again .. it needs some absorb­tion and thought .. I couldn’t do it last night and haven’t really taken it in now .. well worth revis­it­ing, together with her work.

    Great that you’re able to point us in her direc­tion — thank you .. and your com­ments too always round off each point — many thanks ..

    Hilary Melton-Butcher
    Pos­i­tive Let­ters
    .-= Hilary´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..Would Dew Ponds be a help in cli­mate change? =-.

  14. Lance says:

    @John — Holly has been such a won­der­ful per­son to get to know. And she has a real gift of bring­ing out the deep-within good­ness in others.

    @Laurie — The “goody two shoes”…that brought a smile to my face too! A great leader can make all the dif­fer­ence in really get­ting peo­ple to fol­low along. I think we’re drawn to lead­ers who show this deeper under­stand­ing because of the value they place on really the per­son. And lead­ers who give us that free­dom to grow, while also nur­tur­ing us along the way — these are peo­ple who we’d fol­low through the good and the bad. Great thoughts Lau­rie. And I know you lead very much from a com­pas­sion­ate heart…a great place to be.

    @Davina — Hi Davina. The “poor me” atti­tude… Really, though, if we take respon­si­bil­ity for our actions, and also accept that some things are out of our con­trol — but never our abil­ity of choice — then we don’t have to see our­selves as “vic­tim”. And being aware, how pow­er­ful that can be. Davina, thanks for all these won­der­ful thoughts.

    @Sami — Hey Sami, I can always count on you to be the cheer­ing sec­tion — and I love it!! And yes, the more aware we are of self, the more aware we become to those around us. And that pur­pose state­ment of Holly’s orga­ni­za­tion — that’s a pretty great place to be isn’t it!

    @Kristin — That Holly shared some things that were far from pleas­ant really shows the depth of her char­ac­ter and the “true” Holly. And that’s real. Like life for all of us, even though we may some­times try to brush it under the rug. Kristin, thank you for your hon­esty here as well, for for not­ing just how impor­tant all aspects of our life are. And it’s not to say that our past is us — it’s to say that our past is a part of us. And even the messy parts of our life have mean­ing and sub­stance — espe­cially if we see them through our heart… Thanks so much for shar­ing all of this.

    @Nathalie — Holly shared some deeply mov­ing sto­ries in this inter­view, and it all falls in line so well with the premise behind the lead­er­ship her orga­ni­za­tion devel­ops. Start­ing within — even though this may not always be easy — being there just really puts us so much more in touch with humanity.

  15. Lance says:

    @Positively Present — Thanks much Dani!

    @Amanda — Being aware is such an impor­tant thing, isn’t it. And how awe­some that your com­pany has you involved in a lead­er­ship train­ing pro­gram. Amanda, I know this will serve you well. And even beyond that, the more con­nected we become to our­selves, the more we con­nect with those around us. Keep doing that, my friend…

    @Liara — And Holly surely fits that pic­ture! She has been such a won­der­ful per­son to get to know, and it’s an honor to share her and her story here!

    @Vered — It’s our con­nec­tion with oth­ers that make a real dif­fer­ence. In some form or another, almost all of us have fam­ily. And espe­cially if you view “fam­ily” not only as related fam­ily mem­bers, but also those we hold close and dear to us — friends who are also like fam­ily. And in the end, the deeper con­nec­tions with these peo­ple are what really count…

    @Mike King — Thanks Mike! Holly makes some won­der­ful obser­va­tions on lead­er­ship and what it means. And it’s some­thing we can all relate to — what mat­ters to each of us, and to being val­ued. And if it mat­ters to us, it mat­ters to oth­ers, as well. Holly and her orga­ni­za­tion are doing some very won­der­ful things! And great com­ments from every­one, really adding so much to the con­ver­sa­tion here today.

    @J.D. — We are peo­ple with emo­tions, even if we don’t always express those emo­tions. Yet when we do let our emo­tional side out, it is com­ing from a deeper place within — and this really is some­thing peo­ple can con­nect with.

    @Hilary — Yes, do check out Holly’s web­site and orga­ni­za­tion. Espe­cially check out some of the tes­ti­mo­ni­als. I’ve found them to be so uplift­ing. Hilary, thank you for being here and read­ing today.

  16. Lynn says:

    Great inter­view, Lance! And what a good pro­gram this would be. I am in a lead­er­ship posi­tion in my church and chair­man of a com­mit­tee that is some­what at odds with one another. It is always so tense in those meet­ings and I feel wrung out after. Per­haps I can use the idea of how we’re all dif­fer­ent in some way to make this group bond with each other.
    .-= Lynn´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..Return, sign and wee =-.

  17. janice says:

    Great inter­view, Lance — and if you’re read­ing, Holly, good luck with the Insti­tute and in find­ing what your heart desires!

    This was my favourite line; it brought the post full cir­cle, and res­onates with how I try to live my life. We’re all lead­ers, espe­cially those of us who par­ent or nur­ture online com­mu­ni­ties: Becom­ing a leader is syn­ony­mous with becom­ing yourself.”

    You choose such fit­ting quo­ta­tions!
    .-= janice´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..Hol­i­day­ing at Home: The East Neuk of Fife =-.

  18. Lance,
    You always find such wise and inspir­ing peo­ple to intro­duce us too. You are a con­nec­tor, there’s no doubt about that! Great inter­view and thanks for find­ing such a gem.
    .-= Tess The Bold Life´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..Magic Mon­day Free­bie from The Bot­tom Line Book Club =-.

  19. Diane C. says:

    Hi Holly and Lance, I enjoyed the inter­view and Lance’s com­men­taries. My favorite part of the inter­view was when Holly said about her orga­ni­za­tion, “Our deeper pur­pose is to sup­port the growth of the human spirit in order to con­tribute toward a kinder, gen­tler world.” I find that very inspir­ing, and I hope in the near future more orga­ni­za­tions and peo­ple can say the same thing.
    .-= Diane C.´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..Urban Wildlife =-.

  20. Her dis­ser­tion on “mate selec­tion,” lol.

    One smart lady with a buoy­ant spirit. Very inspir­ing as to just what a per­son can do in the face of chal­lenge.
    .-= Jan­nie Funster´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..Review of “Mir­ror Blue” by Thomma Lyn Grind­staff: A Novel You Can Really Sink Your Teeth Into. =-.

  21. Tim says:

    Lance:

    Wow, great inter­view filled with some awe­some con­tent! I’ve been want­ing to improve and study lead­er­ship and this is a great place to start. I agree that aware­ness is the first step to improv­ing our­selves, whether it be lead­er­ship, pub­lic speak­ing or what­ever. Lance, I really enjoyed this inter­view and read­ing your com­men­tary. I want to do more of this as I re-launch my blog in the next few weeks. Thanks for shar­ing this!
    .-= Tim´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..All-Stars Among Us =-.

  22. Hi Lance,

    Thank you so much for intro­duc­ing all of us to Holly. The inter­view pro­vided some inter­est­ing insights and def­i­nitely some food for thought. I love it. This is so awe­some! :) It is also won­der­ful to know that there are peo­ple like her out in the world.
    .-= Nadia — Happy Lotus´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..The Times They Are A Chang­ing =-.

  23. Hi Lance,
    What an inter­view! You really know how to get to the heart of all mat­ters. Thank you to Holly, too, for being so open in her com­mu­ni­ca­tion with you. The pro­gram sounds great. I’m look­ing for­ward to view­ing the tes­ti­mo­ni­als. Favorite line from the inter­view: “…if we humans would just get our­selves out of the way of divine inter­ven­tion, we may stand a greater chance to grow and pros­per.” Love that! Thanks, Lance!
    .-= Jodi at Joy Discovered´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..The Wings of Free­dom =-.

  24. Please accept this note here as my open let­ter to all of you amaz­ing peo­ple who wrote a com­ment in response to this inter­view. Lance, that’s lead­er­ship on your part to have drawn so many human­is­tic souls to your site — it’s a gift you no doubt devel­oped early on in life and con­tin­ued to hone over time. I can hon­estly say that your inter­view took on a slant dif­fer­ent from any I’ve ever had, and that is what allowed me the free­dom to share on a very dif­fer­ent and deep level.

    Admit­tedly I wrote Lance ear­lier to say that I was absolutely blown away when I started read­ing everyone’s com­ment and could tell that this is no ordi­nary audi­ence of read­ers but rather a sub­sam­ple of our pop­u­la­tion brim­ming with an enlight­ened spirit and eager to con­tinue on this path. What I heard col­lec­tively was a res­o­nance with pas­sion for enhanc­ing the human spirit and indeed grow­ing from our mis­takes and chal­lenges, heartaches and heart­breaks, all of which takes self-awareness — a bold jour­ney. In sum­mary, there is a spe­cial under­stand­ing here that “every­body is somebody’s baby”.

    Finally, I thank you all for your encour­age­ment and vote of con­fi­dence. Once our Cen­ter for Life and Liv­ing is ready for its pub­lic debut, you’ll find our mis­sion state­ment is exactly what was pre­sented here (…to sup­port the growth of the human spirit in order to con­tribute toward a kinder, gen­tler world). What you may not know is that I had not made up my mind to use it until so many of you latched onto that state­ment with all your pas­sion attached. That was hugely val­i­dat­ing. So thank you — and thank you for tak­ing time out of your busy day to offer your amaz­ing insights. I remain hum­bled by your own heart­felt shar­ing and look for­ward to vis­it­ing you own spe­cial posts! Rich bless­ings, Holly

  25. Sagan says:

    Great inter­view! Every change begins with our­selves.
    .-= Sagan´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..When nutri­tion gets neglected =-.

  26. Evelyn Lim says:

    I am in total agree­ment to the find­ing that root causes to our prob­lems often lie in our sub­con­scious. My work largely revolves around unearthing these for my clients so that they can cre­ate the life they want.

    Great inter­view! It will be won­der­ful if more of us look into our­selves for soul growth.
    .-= Eve­lyn Lim´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..The Story Of The Wounded Child =-.

  27. Lance says:

    @Lynn — Thank you Lynn! And I wish you only the best on your church com­mit­tee. We are all dif­fer­ent. Get­ting oth­ers to see this, and to see the good in this — that’s not always easy. But so worth try­ing. , as it will only make your whole com­mit­tee stronger if you’re all focused on the greater pur­pose of your group, and not on how your dif­fer­ences divide.

    @Janice — Thank you Jan­ice. Becom­ing our­selves, or really get­ting to the core of who “we” are, that is such an impor­tant part of this whole puz­zle. And when we get there, lead­er­ship becomes more focused on com­pas­sion — and com­pas­sion can bring out such good!

    @Tess — Hol­lly is such an inspi­ra­tion, and it’s been such a plea­sure get­ting to know her bet­ter! And thank you, Tess, very much — for all you’re say­ing here. I am touched deeply by your words. I’m so glad you’re here — thanks for all your sup­port and for being such a great friend…

    @Diane C. — Hi Diane. The deeper pur­pose of “The Lead­er­ship Trust” is one that speaks so clearly to our world becom­ing such a car­ing place to live. And to think of us as indi­vid­u­als get­ting to this space, or for orga­ni­za­tions get­ting to this space — how uplift­ing this is!

    @Jannie — Yep, I found that funny too — the “mate selec­tion”. And that’s a great thing about Holly, she’s not afraid to have some fun with all of this (fun? that’s some­thing I think you can relate to!). A “buoy­ant spirit” — what a great descrip­tion of Holly! She is so full of life, and I’d say it’s like float­ing around with a lit­tle glimpse of heaven…

    @Tim — Tim, I encour­age you to check out the pro­gram Holly and her orga­ni­za­tion offer. It may or may not be a fit, but I do think just in read­ing at her site, you’ll get a bet­ter under­stand­ing not only of “The Lead­er­ship Trust”, but also of your­self and what lead­er­ship means to you in your life. While I haven’t taken the pro­gram, Holly and I are dis­cussing dates for this. And from all that I’ve read on her site, I believe com­pletely in what she is offer­ing and how life-giving it can be! And best to you on the upcom­ing re-launch of your blog…I’m look­ing for­ward to it!

    @Nadia — Hi Nadia. Holly is so con­nected to her being, and it shines through in every con­ver­sa­tion I’ve had with her, in this inter­view, and on her web­site! And it’s beau­ti­ful to see, and to feel that love she has going out into the world!

    @Jodi — Do check out the tes­ti­mo­ni­als, they are mov­ing accounts of the expe­ri­ence. I have found them to be hugely trans­for­ma­tional even just in my think­ing about how this course con­nected with peo­ple. Thanks so much for being here and read­ing this Jodi — your spirit shines in all you write…

    @Sagan — Thanks Sagan! Right — we can’t expect to change oth­ers, if we’re not even will­ing to look at ourselves…

    @Evelyn — Get­ting to those “root causes” that are within our being, and break­ing down the bar­ri­ers that keep us from achiev­ing all that is pos­si­ble — that is such a won­der­ful thought! Eve­lyn, I know you are doing some great things in area, and that’s so awe­some! And that’s much like what Holly and her team of peo­ple are doing as well — and in the whole process help­ing oth­ers to grow a closer con­nec­tion to their soul…

  28. Lance says:

    Holly,
    Thanks you for stop­ping in here and tak­ing the time to share in the com­ments as well. Your mes­sage is one that is res­onat­ing very deeply with so many peo­ple. And I think that speaks to the real value we have for con­nect­ing with our deeper self. Within each of us, is that voice from within, that one which “knows” us. And too often, that voice never gets heard — drowned out by the all the “noise” in our life. And that’s where I see you train­ing pro­gram to be so “right on track”. There just feels like such a deeper con­nec­tion is devel­oped by those who have attended in the past. And that really does make for a train­ing pro­gram that is trans­for­ma­tional at a very deep and per­sonal level. So Holly, kudos to you for what you’ve cre­ated! This is a very spe­cial orga­ni­za­tion, and one I’m so blessed to have crossed paths with.

    And how won­der­ful about your Cen­ter for Life and Liv­ing — and the mis­sion state­ment you’ll use! This whole idea of grow­ing the human spirit toward a kinder and gen­tler world is one which really did res­onate with so many here — includ­ing me. And it just shows how much we do value this idea of a world that is kinder and gen­tler. So, the more ways that mes­sage can be spread through­out the world, the better…

    Holly, thank you once again for being such a bright and shin­ing light in our world. You have most assuredly touched lives in ways it’s hard to fully comprehend!

  29. JenX says:

    Wow. The response to the first ques­tion was packed and stun­ning. Her atti­tude about los­ing her hear­ing — SUPERNATURAL. The loss of a big brother — I can relate how trau­matic that must have been. My son is 3 and his big sis­ter 11. No doubt, such an early loss shaped this beau­ti­ful per­son. Thanks for bring­ing this to us, Lance. These ques­tions and answers I’ll revisit again.
    .-= JenX´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..i see sally =-.

  30. Thank you for shar­ing this inter­view; Holly is incred­i­bly inspi­ra­tional, and the pro­gram sounds so appeal­ing. I love their mis­sion: “Our deeper pur­pose is to sup­port the growth of the human spirit in order to con­tribute toward a kinder, gen­tler world.“
    I believe that’s what we need now, and am reas­sured as I meet more and more peo­ple who are liv­ing this mind­set.
    Bless­ings & joy!
    .-= Megan “Joy­Girl!” Bord´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..See­ing God In Action =-.

  31. Lance, I bet you say that to all the Jan­nies who com­ment here!

    :)
    .-= Jan­nie Funster´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..Review of “Mir­ror Blue” by Thomma Lyn Grind­staff: A Novel You Can Really Sink Your Teeth Into. =-.

  32. Out­stand­ing inter­view Lance!!

    PS. I’m high­light­ing “Jun­gle of Life in my newest episode next Mon­day!
    You Rock!!
    .-= Tabitha@ichoosebliss´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..Grat­i­tude On Thurs­day =-.

  33. Lance says:

    @JenX — Yes, Holly is such a beau­ti­ful soul, and that really shines through in just the first ques­tion alone. While there were sev­eral things that could be viewed as trau­matic, they have helped to shape Holly as she is today. And it’s good for me to read this, and be reminded that even in dif­fi­cult moments, they too shall pass. Espe­cially with a pos­i­tive out­look on life and what can be. Jen, thanks so much for read­ing today, and please do come back to this — and for even more uplift­ing thoughts, check out the “Tes­ti­mo­ni­als” page linked up above. So good, all of it. And cher­ish all the moments with your chil­dren — they are a gift…and you are a gift to them!

    @Megan — Holly has been such a joy to work with through this whole inter­view, and in all our con­ver­sa­tions lead­ing up to this. She’s the real deal! And the mis­sion is so charged with a deep con­nec­tion to soul, which I con­nect so well to also! Holly shines light into this world…just as you do!

    @Jannie — Why yes…YES I do say that to all the Jan­nies around here. And we know there are so many…they’ve taken over the top spot in the most active commenters!

    @Tabitha — Thanks much Tabitha! And — WOW! (patience…have patience…he tells himself)

  34. Jennifer says:

    Lance, what a won­der­ful inter­view. I really enjoyed “meet­ing” Holly and learn­ing more about her. She seems like such a car­ing and thought­ful and com­pas­sion­ate per­son who loves to inspire oth­ers. I loved read­ing about her hard­ships and how she over­came them. It sound like any­one would ben­e­fit from her classes. Just read­ing this inter­view makes me want to be more in tune to myself. I can tell that she will only con­tinue to be won­der­fully suc­cess­ful in what she does. Her pas­sion about what she does shines. Thank you Lance.
    .-= Jennifer´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..What is in Your Bank Account? =-.

  35. Audra Krell says:

    Wow Holly and Lance, this is fan­tas­tic.
    Part of my per­sonal mis­sion state­ment reads like this: ” Hav­ing pre­vi­ously been a daugh­ter of the cul­ture, I desire to voice my new life in Christ as one that goes against cul­tural norm, believ­ing that all of God’s cre­ations are good willed, good hearted people.…..”

    Holly really struck some­thing in me with her belief that peo­ple can change. I believe that too. The cul­ture will tell you oth­er­wise. Peo­ple make one mis­take and the cul­ture rates it, shames it and your life is over. I believe that we all sin and make all sorts of mis­takes, but God can change peo­ple. Even the worst among us, (which we often feel like is our­selves) can become great again. If we just give them a chance. This sounds like a won­der­ful orga­ni­za­tion that will help guide peo­ple toward tol­er­ance, peace and for­give­ness.
    As always, you’ve done great Lance!!!
    .-= Audra Krell´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..Brand Mar­ket­ing 101 with WD-40 =-.

  36. Lance & Holly,

    I keep com­ing out here to read the com­ments and get dis­tracted by all the inter­est­ing blog posts that are listed and then don’t post a com­ment so I am blindly scan­ning past all the com­ments and just adding my two cents! Holly — it is one of the visions I have for my life to walk a path sim­i­lar to yours. It is very encour­ag­ing to read your story and your lead­er­ship work­shop sounds great. Lance — you are always such a great sup­port and I am going to send you a per­sonal email to talk more about your bik­ing / net­work­ing group. Thanks for stop­ping by and writ­ing. It is always a treat and you should know that you just entered your­self a chance to win a free month of social net­work­ing classes — not that you need it!
    .-= Amy Jew­ell / Cirklagirl´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..Reach­ing Your Net­work =-.

  37. Zeenat {Positive Provocations} says:

    Hi Lance&Holly,

    What an awe­some inter­view with an equally awe­some person.

    I love your spirit Holly. You just ooze pos­i­tiv­ity Holly.

    Thank you for bring­ing such won­der­ful peo­ple to life on your blogs and shar­ing them with us.
    .-= Zeenat {Pos­i­tive Provocations}´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..The Power Of NO! =-.

  38. Lance says:

    @Jennifer — Get­ting to know Holly bet­ter has been a real joy for me too! Car­ing, thought­ful, com­pas­sion­ate — I’ve felt that in all the con­ver­sa­tions I’ve had with her — and this really has drawn me in to her mes­sage and what she’s teach­ing. And the hard­ships she’s over­come show the true resilience of the human spirit! Jen­nifer, thanks so much for read­ing this — it was a deeply mean­ing­ful expe­ri­ence for me, and work­ing with Holly.

    @Audra — Audra, thanks so much for shar­ing a part of your own per­sonal mis­sion state­ment. I love it — it speaks so much to the good­ness that we all do have within us! So, the idea of peo­ple being able to change — absolutely, I agree. Some­times soci­ety around us can hang onto the sins we’ve com­mit­ted. In the end, though, that’s not what mat­ters. I’m pretty sure we agree on the life-giving pres­ence of our God, and in a God who for­gives and cares. And that’s pretty awe­some! That Holly seeks tol­er­ance and peace — I believe this really shows her own very deep con­nec­tion with the spirit within her. In fact, that spirit has shined in all our con­ver­sa­tions! Audra, thanks so much for this, and for read­ing about Holly and her orga­ni­za­tion. It’s all some­thing I deeply believe in…

    @Amy Jew­ell — Hey Amy! It’s great hav­ing you here. And I know what you mean, there are so many won­der­ful peo­ple here leav­ing com­ments — that have some very awe­some mate­r­ial of their own (like you!)! Lead­ing from a place of com­pas­sion and under­stand­ing is such a gift to share with oth­ers — and that Holly pro­motes this and helps oth­ers to achieve that level of lead­er­ship is so pow­er­ful! Thanks much for read­ing this Amy!

    @Zeenat — Hi Zeenat. Holly has been such a gift in my life, and get­ting to know her even bet­ter through this only makes her light shine brighter into my world! Thank you for read­ing this today!

  39. brandi says:

    read­ing about holly and her mis­sion was awe-inspiring. Thank you Lance!

    And Holly, as the ‘mom’ to two res­cued dogs, I say thank you for your work in ani­mal wel­fare.
    .-= brandi´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..I have sto­ries to tell… =-.

  40. Lance says:

    Hi Brandi,
    Holly has really worked to cre­ate some­thing spe­cial, and it’s been a priv­i­lege for me to share that here. And what she has done for ani­mal wel­fare is a real gift to this world, and espe­cially to the count­less ani­mals she’s helped.

  41. So glad to con­nect with you on Twit­ter — and absolutely love your site! I will def­i­nitely spend some time search­ing around a bit to get up to speed, but you have a new fol­lower in me. I really enjoyed this inter­view as well — your ques­tions are thought-provoking and it’s writ­ten in such a con­ver­sa­tional tone. Thanks Lance!
    .-= Laura at The Jour­nal of Cul­tural Conversation´s Last Fab­u­lous Post ..Hate Your Job, But Still Love Your Life: How to Be Happy No Mat­ter Where You Work =-.

  42. Lance says:

    Hi Laura,
    Wel­come! It’s great to have you here! And to con­nect on Twit­ter. Holly was such an inspir­ing lady to work with, and her answers to the ques­tions really led into this con­ver­sa­tional style. Glad to hear you enjoyed it!

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